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Stunning instrument, Dave. The colors in the woods play beautifully off one another. Very nice playing too.

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Dave, those trebles will come out as soon as you get a sunburst on the back and sides!!!

BTW..really nice guitar!

[QUOTE=CarltonM] Dave, those trebles will come out as soon as you get a sunburst on the back and sides!!!

BTW..really nice guitar! [/QUOTE]

Carlton,

To paraphrase slightly what Colin once said here "Eat My Shorts!"

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". . . the one thing a machine just can't do is give you character and personalities and sometimes that comes with flaws, but it always comes with humanity" Monty Don talking about hand weaving, "Mastercrafts", Weaving, BBC March 2010

Wonderful guitar, David.
I really like the light sides / dark top look.
Very tastefull & beautifully executed.
WOW!

P.S. I have found that Cedar develops very noticeably for about 3 months. The trebles in my guitars are often more 'present' than the mid & bass. It's great that the bass is so fine, right off the bat. I'd be surprised if the trebles didn't emerge very quickly.
As it is, the guitar sounds sumptuous! By the end of your tune, I couldn't here any uneveness at all.
I'm totally impressed!

Dave

Did you think the Trebles are lacking ? I didn't think thats what you were saying I've listen to that beautiful piece through several times, to me they sound good, Bright, Clear, Pure and complementary to the bass and mids. As you said not the same as Euro but how you would expect WRC and Maple to Sound.

How would you describe the comparison between this guitar and the Cedar Lowden you have ?


I just love the guitar, the looks, the sound everything.RussellR38835.762349537

Ohhhhh wow! I couldn't make myself read before looking! It's
phenominal. I love it!

Outstanding Dave! Beautiful guitar, amazing sound. I can only imagine what she'll sound like in a few weeks! Have you had the strings on her very long?

   I also love that piece you composed and the execution is bang on! Way to go...

   I'm looking forward to the next... Cheers.

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[QUOTE=RussellR] Dave

Did you think the Trebles are lacking ? I didn't think thats what you were saying I've listen to that beautiful piece through several times, to me they sound good, Bright, Clear, Pure and complementary to the bass and mids. As you said not the same as Euro but how you would expect WRC and Maple to Sound.

How would you describe the comparison between this guitar and the Cedar Lowden you have ?


I just love the guitar, the looks, the sound everything.[/QUOTE]

Hi Russell,

I don't really know how I expect WRC and maple to sound and I suspect I am just learning a new wood combination sound. I just was blown away by the bass sound that came out, and have been spoilt with the amazing sound of Euro/Cuban mahogany with trebles that are really fat and "shimmer".

The more I'm playing it, I don't think the trebles are out of balance - the sustain is there and the overtones. I think though there is more of a fundemental there than I am used to - probably the maple "brightness"/crispness. When I really dig in they are certainly fat.

As to the Lowden. It was the first "proper" guitar I got back in 1994 and I loved it to bits.Ccedar/EIR so a different proposition in some ways. Without upsetting Colin (George didn't actually make this one ) it doesn't compare in terms of the fullness and complexity of the sound. I asked my wife to compare and she said the Lowden was "thinner and tinnier in comparison".

Samhain has only had strings on for less than a week so it's very early days and it's still finding it's voice. I really am enjoying playing it as although it has my "signature" sound it is different from my other guitars.

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". . . the one thing a machine just can't do is give you character and personalities and sometimes that comes with flaws, but it always comes with humanity" Monty Don talking about hand weaving, "Mastercrafts", Weaving, BBC March 2010

Dave

I have just been listen to your Song and one recorded on one of mine made from Plane which I find very similiar to Maple, and although mine is Euro Top the same pureness is present on the Trebles, So I'm inclined to think thats the Maple, it has a reputation for being very Pure of Tone.

I'd be interested to see if you hear it the same way. If you get a chance have a Listen.

http://www.soundclick.com/player/single_player.cfm?songid=30 30103&q=hi&ref=2

nice work Dave!

beautiful sounding guitar :D well done!

[QUOTE=Dave White]Carlton,

To paraphrase slightly what Colin once said here "Eat My Shorts!" [/QUOTE]
Mmmmmmmm...shorts!!!

Hey Dave;
I'm interested in your X braced back. Have you used this simple layout before? My first X braced back deformed a bit between the lower legs of the X & I now put a half transverse brace in to prevent it from happening again.
It'd be nice to use such a simple arrangement if it proves to be stable.
How thick is your back plate? What arch did you use?
Have you tried plugging the port to see what the difference is?
Again... Really cool guitar. Is this one a keeper?

[QUOTE=Dave White]
How would you describe the comparison between this guitar and the Cedar Lowden you have ?

I just love the guitar, the looks, the sound everything.[/QUOTE]


As to the Lowden. It was the first "proper" guitar I got back in 1994 and I loved it to bits.Ccedar/EIR so a different proposition in some ways. Without upsetting Colin (George didn't actually make this one ) it doesn't compare in terms of the fullness and complexity of the sound. I asked my wife to compare and she said the Lowden was "thinner and tinnier in comparison".

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Dave I DO distinguish between 'Lowden' guitars and 'George Lowden' guitars (as does the price!) I believe that both you and Russell build guitars that are every bit if not better than any 'Lowden' guitar I have heard. And,I think that George would be very happy with the sound and build of the latest creations of both of you. You are both exceptional builders that have developed sounds of your own and I would be proud to own an instrument by either of you.

Colin

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Dave, my newb eyes were so impressed that i could not notice some very important building details at first.

Daniel M's questions made me go back and look again and i noticed 4 black bars tied to the neck block and to the waist, is this CF rods, what's the purpose of this please ? it is a very interesting concept that seem to be there in a way to direct sound, am i right? Thanks

Serge

[QUOTE=Serge Poirier] Dave, my newb eyes were so impressed that i could not notice some very important building details at first.

Daniel M's questions made me go back and look again and i noticed 4 black bars tied to the neck block and to the waist, is this CF rods, what's the purpose of this please ? it is a very interesting concept that seem to be there in a way to direct sound, am i right? Thanks

Serge[/QUOTE]

I think those 'flying buttress' braces (look at some of Rick Turner's guitars, and Mike Doolin's) are there to help support the neck block, and prevent any twisting/dipping caused by string tension over time. It puts the strain in line with the side, in the direction of the side, which adds significant stiffness. I'll be doing the same on my next build, using 1/4" (something like that) CF tubes I got from intothewind.com

Russell,

My computer speakers are knackered so I'll download that clip onto one of the girl's mp3 players to listen to and let you know.

Colin,
As Russell would say "I'm blushing" . It will be nice when you Russell and I get to meet up as I'd love to play some of your creations (lutes as well!!)

Daniel,

This is the 8th instrument I've made with this back bracing. I started doing this on the guitar-bouzouki I made back in February last year. I like the way the braces lock and I need only notch the linings in 4 places. The main reason though was to to get a more consistent doming, as I didn't like having to force the back into a back to front curve when gluing. I think it helps with projection of the guitar too. 14 months on the first one is rock solid stable. My back thickness is between 2mm - 2.5mm depending on the woods I use. The maple was at the thicker end based on what I read John Greven say, and when I use Cuban Mahogany is at the thinner end. I use a home made jig to put the arch on the back braces and I think it has a radius of around 12-13'. When the back settles out after gluing it is probably nearer 14-15'.

Serge,

Th CF flying buttress braces come from what I've learned from the building of Mike Doolin, Rick Turner and Howard Klepper. They are there to lock the box construction so that the neck under string pressure does not slowly flatten the back arch over time, and in the process tilt the neck block geometry so that a neck re-set is required even though the neck in relation to the neck block hasn't moved. This also enables me to brace the upper bought of the top a lot more lightly, and lets me do a free floating neck with an adjustable joint. I'll post on this next week. Rather than having a supporting fingerboard extension attached to the neck block and bolted to the fingerboard, my necks go up to the upper bout brace with the fingerboard glued on (supported up to about the 18th fret).

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Thanks for the explanations Dave and Mattia, this sure is a brilliant design for stability of the box, i'll have to check this out more closely, i like the idea of reinforcing while keeping the top as light as possible!

Dave, i'll stay tuned for your posting next week, i am currently attempting building a neck block like Paul Woolson and Sylvan Wells, it will be interesting to see your neck joint also.

Thanks again!

Serge

Dave...

Your guitar looks & sounds great! Nice playing as well. Excellent clarity in the notes coming from that box. I too could fall for Maple very easily.   ~ Rich ~